* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THURSDAY, [00:00:01] JULY 25TH, 2024. [Special Commission Meetings on July 25, 2024.] AGAIN, IT IS, UH, 5 38, AND, UH, WE'RE HERE. WELCOME EVERYBODY. AND WE'LL GO, UH, RUTH. ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM. NONE. OKAY. I, SO WE GO INTO RECESS. YES, SIR. I MARYLAND, BUT WE, AND WE DO HAVE A FORM MASTER TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT PRESENT, SO WE ALL WANNA RECESS FOR A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. WELL MOVE TO RECESS. DO WE NEED TO REMOVE? OKAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. BY, UH, FIRST BY COMMISSIONER, UH, GOODMAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORALES. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. IN NAY. OKAY. WE ARE IN RECESS. UH, TIME IS, UH, 5 38. I DON'T KNOW. I HIT IT. I DON'T MUTE IT. OKAY. TIME IS, UH, 6:00 PM AND WE'RE BACK FROM RECESS. AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER NAVARRO THAT HAS JOINED US. COMMISSIONER NAVARRO. THE, WE'RE LACKING RIGHT NOW IS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, MAYOR , UH, GALVAN. OKAY. WE JUST CALL MAYOR AND HE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT HE WILL BE OKAY. SURE, SIR. OKAY. OPEN UP NOW. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, MAYOR. AND THAT'S, UH, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TRAINING, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED. UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF Y'ALL WENT TO THE, UH, TML NEWLY EFFECT, NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS TRAINING. AND THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A, A REINFORCEMENT OF THAT. I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND CITY ATTORNEY, HAD SOME COMMENTS AND SOME, UH, SOME GUIDANCE THAT HE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD. AND, UH, AND WE'D LIKE TO, UH, ENTERTAIN THAT AND, AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL LET CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU, BELOS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH TO AGREEING TO THIS. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I KNOW YOU ALL GET TRAINING IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE GO, 'CAUSE I DO IT MYSELF, WE GET TRAINING AND THEN WE JUST FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING. WE COME BACK TO REAL LIFE AND SOMETIMES WE FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. UH, I'VE REPRESENTED GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES FOR NOW ABOUT 27 YEARS. CITY SCHOOLS, UH, COLLEGES, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. I'VE SEEN SOME REAL GOOD COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS, AND I'VE SEEN SOME REAL BAD ONES. SO, CONGRATULATIONS. YOU GUYS ARE NOT THE WORST , BUT YOU, THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. OKAY, GOOD. EXACTLY. THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. AND THE REASON WE JUST PUT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TRAINING IS THAT'S, THAT WE CAN BE OPEN AND REALLY WHAT WE WANT IS MORE OF A CONVERSATION INTO DIFFERENT TOPICS, EVEN THOUGH WE WILL KIND OF BREAK 'EM DOWN. BUT REALLY WE WANT A CONVERSATION. AND THE OTHER THING IS, I WANT TO, I THINK Y'ALL MAY KNOW WHERE TO FIND SOME OF THE ANSWERS, BUT THERE'S SO MANY RESOURCES. TML, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS PUBLICATIONS THAT ARE TREMENDOUS, BUT THEY WILL ONLY ANSWER WHEN IT'S BLACK AND WHITE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVERY NOW AND THEN, YOU MAY CALL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, YOU MAY CALL TML, UH, THE SECRETARY OF STATE OF IT DEALS WITH ELECTIVES OR SOME THINGS. IF IT'S NOT BLACK AND WHITE, THEY WILL ALWAYS TELL YOU, REFER TO YOUR ATTORNEY. THEY WILL ALWAYS TELL YOU THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GET INTO THE ISSUES. BUT NO MATTER WHAT Y'ALL READ, IT IS NOT ALWAYS BLACK AND WHITE. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THAT, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN CITY PROGRESSO RIGHT NOW. THE CITY OF RESO RIGHT NOW NEEDS TO CALL AN ELECTION. OKAY. SO, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS REAL SIMPLE. CORRECT. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, WHO'S UP? WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S UP. WHAT POSSESSIONS? THE MAYOR, THE ONE OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS RAN IN 2022 FOR A POSSESSION. THAT WAS ENOUGH. THEN PREVIOUSLY YOU HAD SOME POSSESSIONS THAT, WELL, NOBODY ELSE WAS RUNNING, SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN CALL THE ELECTION, BUT NOBODY EVER QUESTIONED ANYTHING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT DO WE DO? WHERE DO WE GO? THEY STARTED THEIR CHARTER IN 2010. SO IN 2010 THEY STARTED THEIR CHARTER. THE MAYOR AND POSSESSIONS THREE AND FOUR ARE TO BE ELECTED EVERY, EVEN, EVEN YEARS. UNEVEN YEARS. BUT THE GERMANS THREE YEARS, SO IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. OKAY? SO THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE OUR, AND THERE A LOT OF 'EM ARE MY FRIENDS. THEY'RE INO THAT DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE NOW BECAUSE THERE'S TWO CONFLICTING PARTIES. 'CAUSE ESPECIALLY IN SMALLER PLACES, THERE'S FACTIONS. I ALWAYS SAY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTIONS. WE SHOULD ALWAYS THINK INDIVIDUALLY AND DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. BUT WE HAVE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. [00:05:01] WHO'S UP? THE MAYOR THINKS THAT I SHOULDN'T BE UP TILL ANOTHER YEAR. THE OTHER SAYS, NO, WE SHOULD. SO WHEN WE MEET AND, UH, AND IT'S OPEN. SO I, I CAN, I CAN OPENLY DISCUSS THIS. WELL, WHAT'S YOUR LEGAL OPINION? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? THEY HAD ALREADY CALLED, UH, SECRETARY OF STATE. THEY HAD ALREADY CALLED. AND WHAT DO THEY SAY? OR TO YOUR LEGAL, THEN YOU GO TO LEGAL COUNSEL. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW TIMES THAT I'VE HAD TO TELL, TELL AN ENTITY, I HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA. THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE, BUT IT'S A MESSED UP THING THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE. WE COULD GO BACK TO THE CITY CHARTER AND SEE WHAT POSSESSIONS YOU ALL HAD. BUT THEY HAD, IN MAY, THEY BECAME A HOME RULE. IN JULY, THEY APPOINTED THE POSITIONS AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO A TRANSITION PLAN. THEY NEVER DID IT. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EXTENDED FOR A YEAR OR NOT. IT WAS TWO YEARS BEFORE. AND THEY DON'T HAVE A TRANSITION PLAN. THEY DON'T HAVE THE LAST PAGES OF THE CHARTER. WE DON'T KNOW. SO THE NEXT THING IS JUDICIAL DETERMINATION. SO WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT GETTING INTO DIFFERENT ISSUES AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. 'CAUSE OH, COMMISSIONER JUST STARTING. OKAY. SO, AND, AND THAT'S THE REASON I KIND OF WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE STUFF THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT CAN GET SOMEBODY IN TROUBLE. AS A LAWYER, I SOMETIMES GO TO THE MEETINGS AND I SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARDS, THE COMMISSION TALKING, AND GOD, AS, AS I ALSO MAYOR MYSELF, I WANT TO JUMP UP AND SAY SOMETHING. BUT THAT IS NOT MY POSITION. MY POSITION IS IF I'M ASKED FOR SOMETHING, EVEN THOUGH I REALLY WANT TO TALK, I DON'T BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY POSITION. BUT I'VE SEEN STUFF THAT, THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE OR SHOULD CHANGE. SO THAT'S, UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT. BUT I THINK THE, THE BEST WAY TO START OFF KIND OF BREAK THESE UP INTO SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE REAL QUICK, OPEN MEETINGS, WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE CAN DO. OPEN RECORDS, NEPOTISM, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN PROCUREMENT AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. WE'RE NOT GONNA FINISH IT TODAY. SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE OKAY ABOUT MEETING EVERY NOW AND THEN AND KEEP ON DOING THIS. BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I THINK I'VE SEEN THAT YOU ALL NEED HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, AND THE MAYOR SOMETIMES ALONE, THE PUBLIC TO BE TALKING, UH, COMMISSIONER, DOING SOMETHING THAT, HEY, HOLD ON, ON THAT CAN, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, LITIGATION, YOU ARE OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS AND WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO JEFF STUFF, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S AN OPEN DIALOGUE. AND I WANT TO, WE KEEP ON PUSHING AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MYSELF. I KNOW FRED AND OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT SOME BENITO ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF SAN BENITO. BUT I ALSO KNOW AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL NOT INVEST WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT STABLE. SO WE NEED TO STABILIZE IN CASE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPERLY. WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS GUY FILMING, TRYING TO MAKE YOU ALL LOOK HORRIBLE. BUT WE GOTTA FIGHT EVERYTHING. AND IF WE DO IT SUCCESSFULLY, I THINK SOME MANTO IS THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN SPACEX, LNG, UH, I, I SEE THE EXPRESSWAY HERE AND SOME MANTO. I SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL, A LOT OF FUTURE. SO REAL QUICK, I GUESS WE CAN START OFF WITH, UH, OPEN MEETINGS. COMMISSIONER GOODMAN, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHEN YOU SAY STABLE GOVERNMENT? MM-HMM, . WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT I MEAN BY STABLE GOVERNMENTS WHERE PEOPLE VIEW THE GOVERNMENT, THE COMMISSION AS WORKING TOGETHER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING ONE ANOTHER AND BICKERING. AND OKAY, NOW YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I'M GOING AGAINST YOU. THOSE TYPE OF MATTERS. KIND OF LIKE WE USED TO SEE OUR LITTLE KIDS AT THE END OVER THERE. DO YEAH, , THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO AVOID . SO, BECAUSE LOOK AT THE VERY END, AT THE VERY END. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY THAT KID'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. THAT'S WHAT THE MEDIA LIKES, . THANK YOU. THAT IS WHAT THE MEDIA LIKES. THAT'S WHAT THEY PICK UP. THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE GOOD STUFF THAT YOU DO. THEY'RE GONNA PUT WHATEVER THEY SEE AS FALSE OR SOMETHING THAT THAT'LL MAKE NEWS. THEY DON'T PUT THE GOOD STUFF THEY NEVER DO. SO IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS, BUT IT'S THE BICKERING OR THE OTHER ATTITUDES TO GET INTO IT. THEY GIVE US PROFIT. DISCUSSIONS ARE ALWAYS GOOD. OKAY? BUT ALSO DISCUSSIONS. UH, I ALWAYS TELL YOU, TELL YOU ALL READ YOUR STUFF BEFORE, BE PREPARED. AND I, I THINK Y'ALL KNOW BEFORE THE MEETINGS, I SEND YOU ALL A TEXT. HEY, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT WAY WE ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR STAFF OR FOR MYSELF SOMETIMES. HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, WELL, WE COULD HAVE LOOKED [00:10:01] AT SOMETHING BEFORE SO THAT WE KNOW. WE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO IN MCALLEN. OUR MEETINGS ARE USUALLY ABOUT 30 SOMETHING MINUTES LONG, EVEN THOUGH OUR PACKETS ARE HUMONGOUS, EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY READ IT. AND I MADE SURE BACK THEN WHEN WE STARTED, AND I, I REMEMBER WHAT I TOLD, WE ARE TELEVISED LIVE CHANNEL 1300, PROBABLY ONLY OUR WIS SEE IT. BUT, BUT IT'S LIVE. SO I TELL PEOPLE THE REASON OUR MEETINGS ARE VERY QUICK IS BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE PREPARED BECAUSE THEY HAVE READ THE INFORMATION, THEY HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS AND, AND THEY'RE READY. AND ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE, YOU ALL HAVE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S IN THE WEBSITE. SO IF WE DO THAT AND EVERYBODY'S READY, I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL CAN GET YOUR EMPLOYEES HOME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. AND, AND BELIEVE ME, THEY APPRECIATE IT. WELL, I THINK THAT, I'M SORRY, I, I THINK THAT'S CHANGED NOW THOUGH. 'CAUSE NOW WE'VE PUT THE WHOLE PACKET ON THE WEBSITE. NOW THAT IS, SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE FLOW GOES WITH THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER, YOU ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WELL, THAT IS EXCELLENT. NOW YOU HAVE IT. SO NOBODY CAN SAY, HEY, WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT DO YOU HAVE? YOU HAVE IT NOW. SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE. SO NOBODY CAN QUESTION THAT. SO IF YOU FINISH YOUR MEETINGS IN FIVE, 10 MINUTES, FINISH IT IN FIVE, 10 MINUTES. THERE IS NO LAW SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO GO HOURS AND HOURS AND MEETINGS. I SEE SOME CITY COMMISSIONS USUALLY SMALLER THAT GO TILL ONE IN THE MORNING TOO. 'CAUSE THEY'RE FIGHTING AND BICKERING OVER AGENDA ITEMS WHEN, I MEAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN 20, 30 MINUTES. SO, SO THE KEY IS REALLY YOU ALL BEING PREPARED, READING, YOU ALL GET THE PACKETS THREE DAYS BEFORE OR YOU GET THE AGENDA AND HOPEFULLY THE PACKETS. AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A FEW THINGS MISSING IN THE PACKET, BUT IT CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED. BUT MOST OF THE TIME, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, I MEAN Y'ALL CAN'T BE PREPARED. YOU ALL CAN COME, Y'ALL CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS AND THAT'S IT. OKAY. I, I LOVE THIS DIALOGUE, THIS TYPE OF STUFF. SO ANYTIME YOU'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING, LET'S DO IT. BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER GOODMAN, OPEN MEETINGS. WHAT DO WE NEED IN THE AGENDA? WE NEED, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE NEED, UH, ROLL CALL NOW. WE NEED, UM, WE NEED, UH, UH, QUORUM, WE NEED, UH, UM, ALL THE RIGHT REPRESENTATION. UM, IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED. YES, IT'S GOTTA BE POSTED. PLENTY OF TIME AHEAD. UM, ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER? JUST WHATEVER'S ON THE AGENDA IS WHATEVER WE CAN DISCUSS, WE CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT. I'M, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE I SEE YOU ALL GO BEYOND THAT ALL THE TIME. AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A HORSE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GO GET 'EM AND HOLD THEM AND TURN 'EM. UH, ALL YOU NEED IN THE AGENDA IS DATE AND TIME AND PLACE. AND OF COURSE INVOCATION. IF YOU WANT TO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IF YOU WANT TO. AND THEN THE NOTICE OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, ALL YOU NEED IS REASONABLE NOTICE. OKAY? THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES THERE'S STUFF THAT YOU ALL CAN DO. UH, AND THIS IS A REASON WE PUT GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL TRAINING. AM I SPECIFIC? NO, WE'RE DOING TRAINING ABOUT WHAT? IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT GIVES NOTICE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT IF IT'S ABOUT A CONTRACT, ABOUT A SPECIFIC, I THINK WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE ONE TIME THAT WE WERE GONNA HIRE SOMEBODY, BUT THEN WE PUT THE NAME OF SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT IF YOU PUT THE NAME OF SOMEBODY, THEN YOU CAN ONLY DO DO THAT. SO SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPECIFIC. OTHER TIMES YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC. WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC? COMMISSIONER MORALES. OKAY. ABOUT, OKAY, LET ME SAY, UH, OUR JANITOR HAS BEEN BAD. CAN YOU PUT 5 5 1 0.074 PERSONAL MATTERS AND GO IN THERE? YES. YES, YOU CAN. UNLESS THE, UNLESS THE OFFICIAL WANTS TO BE OUT HEARD OUT IN THE PUBLIC. AND THAT'S UP TO THEM COR CORRECT. THAT'S IF, IF, IF HE EVEN KNOWS. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND NOT EVEN DISCUSS IT. OKAY. THE REASON, I THINK THE REASON IT'S DONE TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEE, PROTECT THE EMPLOYEE'S PRIVACY. BUT SOMETIMES THE EMPLOYEE CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND YOU IF, BUT, BUT THAT'S ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE EVEN ALLOWING THE, THE EMPLOYEE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WHAT IF YOU'RE INVESTIGATING SOMETHING SO YOU DON'T, OKAY, NOW WE HATE FRED AND WE WANT TO PUT 'EM INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION SECTION 5, 5 1 0 74. UH, LET'S GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. CAN WE DO THAT? NO. WHY NOT? WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY, WE WEREN'T SPECIFIC WITH THE JANITOR BEFORE. [00:15:05] YEAH. HE DOES THIS TYPE OF STUFF. ISSUES ON THE, THE PERSONNEL ON THE, ON THE, ON THE WORKER, RIGHT? YEAH. PER, SO WORKER WAS PERSONNEL. SO HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT PERSONNEL. UH, BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD STILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, I WOULD BELIEVE. OH YEAH, YOU CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT CAN 5, 5, 1, 7, 4, LET'S GO COMMISSION. AND WE DISCUSS GREG WITHOUT FRED BEING THERE. WE DID IT WITH, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY YES, JANITOR. I WOULD SAY YES. OKAY, WHY NOT? WHAT ARE, WE'RE INVESTIGATING HIM . SO, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU NEED MORE NOTICE WHEN IT'S SOMETHING, AND I CAN'T, DON'T SAY THAT ONE PERSON IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITY MANAGER NOW. THERE'S A CITY MANAGER. YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT 'EM, YOU'RE GONNA PUT 'EM, YOU'RE GONNA NAME 'EM. IF IT'S THE ONLY ONE CITY MANAGER, YOU PUT CITY MANAGER, OKAY? BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR JANITOR OR SOMETHING ABOUT, THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT MUCH NOTICE. BUT THE HIGHER IT IS, THE MORE NOTICE WE'VE GOTTA GET. THE MORE SOMETHING IS, THE MORE IMPORTANT, THE MORE SPECIFIC. SO IF YOU ALL EVER DISCUSS, UH, THREAT, YOU GOT A WHAT? EXECUTIVE SESSION, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT TIME IT'S, AND THEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PUT THE TOPIC TO PERSONNEL, CITY MANAGER AND THAT TYPE DEAL. OKAY? WHEN CAN WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? EVERYBODY ALREADY TOOK THE TRAINING, SO IT HAS TO BE POSTED ON THE AGENDA THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT ONE IS FOR LEGAL CONSULTATION AND IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC ON WHAT MATTER. OKAY? UM, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REAL ESTATE ACQUISITIONS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WELL, YOU ALREADY KNOW AND YOU CAN POST IT AND PUT 5 5 1 0 7 8 5 5 1 0 7 4 5 5 1, WHATEVER. OKAY? AND THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. NOW, WHAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER AND YOU WANT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE? YOU MEAN THERE'S NO AGENDA ITEM FOR IT? WELL, NO, NOT NO LEGAL. IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN AN AGENDA. BUT GENERALLY YOU CAN'T, UNLESS THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES OR YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WILL CONFLICT WITH OUR CONFIDENTIALITY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING AND ANY ITEMS. IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS OR YOU HAVE ANY LEGAL CONCERNS UNDER 5.10 71, WHATEVER Y'ALL NEED TO DISCUSS WITH ME, AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW WHAT SAYS, OKAY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE SUBJECT IS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSONNEL, THEN YOU POST IT. OR IF YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS LITIGATION, WELL, WE POST IT. SO, AND, AND THERE AND THERE WE GO. NOW, 72, WE HAVE TO POST FOR HOW MANY HOURS? 7, 2, 4 72 HOURS. BUT WE FORGOT AN ITEM, SO LET'S PUT IT, UH, OKAY, THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN'T, YOU CANNOT, SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO DO AN ADDENDUM AND PUT ANOTHER ITEM. YOU CANNOT DO IT. YOU CANNOT DO IT. YOU CAN CALL A MEETING AND WE'RE IN A MEETING AND IT'S TAKING TOO LONG. Y'ALL WANT TO LEAVE. GUESS WHAT Y'ALL CAN DO? Y'ALL CAN RECESS. RECESS AND COME BACK THE NEXT DAY. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO WITHIN 24 HOURS, JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CALL THE MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLIED, THAT WE CALLED THE MEETING AT, AROUND THE TIME THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RECESS, COME BACK. OKAY? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS RECESS. THIS IS THE TIME, THE SAME DATE, AND WE'RE BACK FROM BACK FROM RECESS OR BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SECTION. THE SAME THING WHEN YOU GO TO EXECUTIVE SECTION, DATE AND TIME WHEN YOU COME BACK, DATE AND TIME AND BOOM. NOW DISCUSSION. NOBODY FOLLOWS. ROBERT RULES THE BOARD. NOBODY DOES. OKAY? UH, THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR AND ESA WAS TELLING ME WERE THE ROBERTS RULES. OKAY? FIRST OF ALL, IF THE CHARTER DOESN'T SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE. UH, IF YOU WERE TO FOLLOW IT, SOMEBODY MAKES MOTIONS, SOMEBODY SECONDS, [00:20:01] AND THERE'S DISCUSSION IN THE REAL WORLD, IT ISN'T LIKE THAT. YOU, YOU OPEN UP THE, THE ITEM, OKAY, WHAT DO PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT IT? AND THAT'S COOL. YOU START TALKING AND DISCUSSING IT, AND THAT'S IT. MOTION SECOND. AND THAT'S IT. SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS ABOUT SOMETHING, SOMETHING AND HEY, WELL, I WANT TO SEE, WE CAN AMEND IT. YOU AMEND IT. IT'S, IT'S AN INFORMAL PROCESS. AS LONG AS ALL OF YOU ALL ARE OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION SOMETIMES FALLS. UM, WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE, UH, NEW COMMISSION, NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS WE'RE FOLLOWING. IS IT ROBERT RULES OF ORDER? IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? IS IT JUST A YAY NAY? IS IT A YES? NO, SOME, SOME MUNICIPALITIES REQUIRE YOU TO ACTUALLY VOTE HERE. IF YOU'RE SILENT, IT'S COUNTS AS A VOTE. AND SOME OF 'EM, SOMETIMES IT COUNTS AS A NEGATIVE VOTE. OKAY? SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CONSISTENCY WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR, WE CAN ASK THE MAYOR TO O CAN, MAY I HAVE THE FLOOR, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT PREVENTS SOME OF THE BICKERING. AND THEN IT PREVENTS US FROM STRAYING AWAY FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND. CAN HAVE THE FLOOR TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC. AND IF THEY GET OUTTA LINE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S OUR PARLIAMENTARY LAW, WHETHER IT BE YOU OR FRED, OR YOU DON'T, IT CAN'T BE ME, IT CAN'T BE FRED. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE MAYOR COMES. TML SAID IT COULD BE OUR ATTORNEY. WELL, BUT THE ATTORNEY DOESN'T WANT TO HOOK YOU UP. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I CAN DIRECT, BUT IT'S NOT PROPER. OH YEAH. CAN WE, LIKE I SAY, SOMETIMES I SEE STUFF AND I WANT TO JUMP AND YELL AND NO, BUT I GUESS MAYBE I'LL, MAYBE I'LL GO A LITTLE BIT EVERY NOW AND THEN. I MEAN, ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I WANT TO SEE IS YOU ALL GET IN TROUBLE. I, I'M GONNA TELL YOU ONE, ONE INSTANCE, AND THIS WAS COMMISSIONER MORALES. I WISH IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED, BUT WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING, I WANTED TO JUMP OUT. IT WASN'T A PROCUREMENT. WHEN OUR COMMISSIONER SAYS, I KNOW HER MORAL CALIBER, I KNOW SHE'S A GOOD PERSON. I KNOW SHE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING BAD, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. AND IT WAS OPEN RECORDS. WELL, ON THIS ITEM, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I CALLED THE VENDOR AND I HOLY, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN COMMISSIONER MORALE SAID THAT, MY HEART JUST LIKE, WHAT THE, LOOK AT WHAT CAN HAPPEN VERY EASILY IF THAT VENDOR DOES NOT GET THE, THE, THE AWARD, THE BID. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T GET IT BECAUSE THE COMMISSIONER WANTED SOMETHING. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANNA, YOU NEVER WANT TO PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION IN THAT POSITION. COMMISSIONER, I REMEMBER I WANTED TO GET A, YOU KNOW, SOME PAPER, RIGHT? AND THROW IT OR, YOU KNOW, NEVER. AND THIS IS SOMETHING, BECAUSE THIS IS, I KNOW WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T GET INVOLVED WITH THE BID PROCESS OR THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, BUT I THINK WE, EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WHEN YOU GET ELECTED, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING? OR WHY DIDN'T YOU GO LOOK FOR ANOTHER VENDOR? OR WHY DIDN'T YOU GO TALK TO PEOPLE? AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT OUR POSITION AND IT CAN'T BE OUR POSITION LEGALLY. IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE STAFF IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. I'VE TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE, THE BEST GOVERNMENTS ARE THE ONES THAT HIRE GOOD PEOPLE AND LET 'EM WORK. OKAY? IF FRED'S NOT DOING IT RIGHT, THEN YOU GET RID OF THEM. YOU KNOW, IF I'M NOT DOING IT RIGHT, THEN GET RID OF ME. UH, A FINANCE PERSON IS NOT DOING RIGHT, THAT GETS RID OF HER. OKAY? BUT ONE OF THE WORST THINGS Y'ALL CAN DO, AND I'VE SEEN IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONING AND QUESTIONING THE PERSONNEL ON, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THIS? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT WHEN THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO? BUT YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT YET, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE STATUTE BECAUSE THE, THE MORALE OF THE EMPLOYEES, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT'S LIKE, I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. I DON'T THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. AND YOU MAY NOT THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO. AND THEY DO. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, HIRE GOOD PEOPLE. LET THEM WORK. LET THEM WORK. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THEY ARE, IF YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE QUALIFIED, GET RID OF THEM. I MEAN, Y'ALL GET RID OF FRED IF HE DOESN'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IS DOING, THEY, FRED GETS RID OF THEM. IF YOU FOLLOW THAT, I MEAN, IT, IT WORKS A LOT BETTER. OKAY? WHO DO Y'ALL HIRE? Y'ALL HIRE THE ATTORNEY, THE CITY MANAGER. THE THE CITY SECRETARY? NO, THE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S IT. AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. IT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE Y'ALL MAY NOT THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE UP HERE AND WELL, YOU THIS OR YOU THAT, WHEN THEY FOLLOWED IT, IT'S, IT'S DEMORALIZING. SO IT [00:25:01] ALSO SAYS THAT WE HAVE NO NO RIGHT. TO BE ASKING EMPLOYEES TO DO ANYTHING REALLY. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE DON'T, AND I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS, I HAVE A BUDDY OF MINE THAT'S ALWAYS LIKE, YOU CAN MCALLEN, YOU GUYS DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. HE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHEN THE NEW COMMISSIONER COMES IN, I TELL 'EM, I, I'VE TOLD THE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT CAME IN AFTER ME. LOOK, WE DON'T DEAL WITH PERSONNEL. WE DON'T HIRE PEOPLE, WE DON'T FIRE PEOPLE, WE DON'T REPRIMAND. WE DON'T, WE DON'T DEAL WITH PROCUREMENT. THE ONLY TIME WE DEALT WITH PROCUREMENT WAS WITH THE CITY HALL BECAUSE ONE COMMISSIONER SAID, OH, IT'S THE CITY HALL, THE NEW CITY HALL. WE SHOULD GET INVOLVED. HATED IT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. IT'S HIS JOB TO FOLLOW THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. WE'RE GONNA GET INTO PROCUREMENT, HOW THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF PROCURING. AND SO REALLY, EVEN IF WE HAVE A EXECUTIVE SESSION ISSUE WITH A JANITOR, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, ALL WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM ABOUT IS ANY POTENTIAL LITIGATION WITH THE CITY. CORRECT. OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE SOMETHING. MOST OF THE TIME YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DEALING WITH THAT, RIGHT? AND THE PERSONAL ISSUES, IT'S GONNA BE FRED, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF MATTERS OR SOMETHING THAT, HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING ON, BUT YOU ALL DO NOT HIRE, YOU ALL DO NOT HIRE, YOU ALL DO NOT ANY OF THAT STUFF. PROCUREMENT IS THAT. I THINK, Y'ALL KNOW, PROCUREMENT IS WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS GET IN TROUBLE. I STAY AWAY FROM PROCUREMENT LIKE YOU WOULD'VE BELIEVE. I DON'T, I DON'T DEAL WITH ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, I, I DON'T DRINK WITH 'EM. BUT UNLESS THEY'RE FRIENDS, BECAUSE I KNOW A BUNCH OF THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, HEY, MAYOR, LET'S GO HAVE A DRINK. LET'S, NOPE. THE VERY FIRST TIME I DID SOMEBODY I DIDN'T KNOW, I PICKED UP THE CHECK AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, $800 . HE WAS LIKE, NO, I'M GONNA GET IT. AND HE'S A REAL GOOD FRIEND OF MINE NOW. UH, AND, AND HE DOESN'T DO BUSINESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND, AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT PEOPLE OUT THERE SEE IT. AND YOU MAY NOT BE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THEN YOU GET INTO D TWO AFFAIRS, IMPROPRIETY, OKAY? WE'RE IN, IN, IN OPEN MEETINGS. THE, YOU HAVE THE SUBJECT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY WITHIN THE SUBJECT AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET, CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE AND THAT'S FINE. BUT SOMETIMES FROM ONE SUBJECT, YOU ALL JUMP INTO SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DO THIS AND WE SHOULD START, YEAH, WE SHOULD DO. AND THEN Y'ALL REALLY STRAIGHT AND THAT HAPPENS A LOT. . OKAY. SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO, I MEAN, I'LL JUMP IN THERE AND I, IT'S, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS. YES, SIR. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, HOUSEKEEPING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO INTERACTION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR, SINCE HE IS THE ONE RUNNING THE MEETINGS, UH, HE DOES GIVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AND HE CAN ADJOURN AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A CITY ATTORNEY APPEAR NEXT TO THE MAYOR SO THAT IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF QUESTION OR MAYBE A NUDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, YOU CAN DO IT OVER HERE. AND I'M, I'M SAYING IT IN OPEN SESSION SO THAT, UH, WE CAN BE DISCREET, BUT YET THE MAYOR CAN BE GENTLY REMINDED. NOT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, MAYOR, BUT THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE THE ATTORNEY COULD SEE SOMETHING AND WE COULD GET SOMETHING NIPPED BEFORE IT GOES ANY FURTHER. UH, HE COULD PASS YOU A NOTE. UH, ALL OF THAT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S, THAT'S NORMAL. UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE RUTH DOWN THERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. RUTH, RUTH WILL WORK WHEREVER, BUT I THINK IT WOULD WORK BETTER IF THE ATTORNEY WAS ON ONE SIDE AND I'M ON THE OTHER. BUT THAT'S JUST ME FROM MY HOUSEKEEPING STANDPOINT. AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE MEETINGS RUN A LOT SMOOTHER. THAT IS RIGHT UP TO YOU ALL. THAT'S REALLY KIND OF ALL THE NORMAL, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU. WE CAN DO WHATEVER. I MEAN, THAT IS NORMAL, RIGHT? I'M SURE THAT IS NORMAL, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT THE, THE REASON THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, UH, THEY WERE UP HERE, BUT THEN THE, THE, THE MOVE DOWN THERE, BECAUSE THERE THEY WERE INTERACTING WITH US, OKAY? THEY WERE TALKING TO US. ANY, ANY, UH, INFORMATION OR ANY, UH, AGENDA ITEM, THEY WOULD LOOK AT OUR FACE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY LOOKING AND SAYING, OKAY, AND WHERE YOU AT? I CAN SEE YOU. AND SO WE COULDN'T, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WERE TALKING AMONGST EACH OTHER, UH, OVER EACH OTHER. SO THAT'S WHY, AND, AND YOU ALL DO WHATEVER WE DO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND THE [00:30:01] ATTORNEY WERE DOWN THERE. 'CAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING AT US, BRINGING UP TO THEIR ATTENTION. SO, BUT, UH, WHATEVER, HOWEVER YOU GUYS THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, WHO'S HARD TO SEE TOO. , WE, SO WE CAN, I MEAN, WE CAN SELF-POLICE OURSELVES. I DON'T, UH, BEING THE MAYOR PRO TEMP, I DON'T MIND BEING THE PARLIAMENTARY LAW. WELL, THE, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS EITHER YOU ALL APPOINT SOMEBODY AND THAT'S FINE. OR, OR WE CAN, BECAUSE IT, IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO OH, YOU'RE OUTSIDE AND THEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY SAYS SOMEBODY ELSE. WELL, YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE, SO, YOU KNOW, POINT SOMEBODY OR, OR MAYOR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN NUDGE, WE CAN, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUTSIDE OR EVERY NOW AND THEN, I THINK I JUMP IN THERE WHEN YOU GUYS ARE REALLY OUTSIDE. OKAY. SO, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT NOT BETTER. YEAH. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? I WAS GONNA SEE, WE, I WAS ABOUT SAY WE JUST GOTTA MAKE IT GOOD. THAT WAS IT NOT GREAT. YOU GOTTA MAKE IT BETTER. WELL, IS THERE A PROCESS? I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. IS THERE A PROCESS THEN OF BEING RECOGNIZED HERE IN ORDER TO MAKE COMMENT THAT SHOULD RUN THROUGH THE MAYOR? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, IT, IT'S, UH, I MEAN, I, I THINK I REMEMBER IN ONE OF THE TRAININGS THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT, I MEAN, HE, HE RECOGNIZES ANYBODY UP ON AS BEING ABLE TO, TO SPEAK UP HERE, TO HAVE A FLOOR, TO HAVE A FLOOR KIND OF THING. AND, AND THAT WAY IT DOESN'T BECOME PEOPLE SPEAKING OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER. YEAH. I MEAN, WELL THE, THE MAYOR SHOULD CONTROL ME, THE MAYOR CHAIR CONTROL THE MEETING. LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THE ITEM AND WE START DISCUSSING. THEY ASK PERMISSION FROM HIM. WE ASK. YEAH, EXACTLY. WE ASK PERMISSION FROM HIM TO, WELL, YOU, YOU CAN EITHER DO THAT OR, UH, THE MAYOR LOOKS TO ONE SIDE. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ISSUES? MM-HMM. . AND SOMEBODY CAN, AND THEN LOOK TO THE OTHER SIDE, AND THEN ONE PERSON SPEAKS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER AND WAIT TILL SOMEBODY SPEAKS. UM, NOBODY WOULD STEP ON THE CHAIR. OKAY. I HAVE A GAVEL IN MY, WHEN I'M HAVING MY MEETINGS I HAVE YET TO USE AND EVERYBODY DOES WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO. IT'S, THANK GOD IT'S SO GOOD. WELL, I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU INTERJECTING. IF YOU SEE US GOING OUTSIDE OF OUR LANE AND I'M FINE, I'M FINE TO DO THAT. YEAH. SINCE YOU'RE LEGAL COUNSEL, I THINK IT'S WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS. AND I WOULD LIKE IT IF HEY COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, LET'S STAY WITHIN THE TOPIC AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND A LOT OF TIMES HE'S STRAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT HE'S STILL, IT. THERE'S SOMEHOW A STRING PAST THERE. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. BUT WHEN IT GETS WAY OFF IS WHEN JUST NO WADS OF PAPER. WHAT'S THAT? NO WA OF PAPER. NO WA OF PAPER. YES SIR. I'M GONNA GET A STRONG . YEAH. SO, OKAY. UH, ISSUES OR ANYTHING Y'ALL THINK ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS THAT YOU CAN, CONDUCTING THE MEETING. WHAT THEN BECOMES THE PROCESS FOR IF WE GET OFF TOPIC? AND I MEAN, I, MY MIND GOES LOTS OF PLACES AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I'M THINKING THAT WE NEED TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OR CLOSELY RELATED TO THIS. WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THAT ON AN AGENDA? WELL, WHAT WE HAVE IS AT THE VERY END, UH, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. OH, GUYS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS WOULD CONSIDERED NEXT WEEK? OKAY, THERE YOU GO. FOR DC FOR DC. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S USUALLY THE LAST ITEM IN THE AGENDA, RIGHT? OTHER FUTURE, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS DESIRED BY THE BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY. YEAH. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT ON THERE. EVERY WEEK, EVERY TIME WE MEET. NO, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW DURING THE MEETING THAT WE WENT TO THIS PAST, UH, WEEK, IT WAS THE THING OF TABLE OR POSTPONE. IF WE TABLE AN ITEM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO BACK, ALL WE'RE DOING IS TABLING IT FOR A TIME BEING YOU STILL SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT IN THAT SAME MEETING. IF WE WANNA POSTPONE IT, THEN THAT'S FOR ANOTHER MEETING TO HAVE. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING ITEMS WHERE WE'RE TABLING IT. SO WHICH ONE IS, YOU CAN TABLE IT, HAVE IT NEXT TIME, TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE LATER ON. SO THAT'S, OR YOU CAN POSTPONE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT POSTPONE. YOU STILL NEED AN ACTION EITHER TO TABLE IT OR NOT, OR NO ACTION OR, OR NO ACTION. THEN IT JUST DIES. BUT USUALLY WHEN YOU SAY I'M TABLE IT, IT USUALLY MEANS THEY'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK UP AT A LATER TIME OR A LATER DATE. YEAH, IF YOU YEAH, IF IF YOU TABLE IT, THEN WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. 'CAUSE YOU PLAN TO BRING IT BACK. YEAH. NO, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE AT THE MEETING, THIS IS WHAT WAS ASKED AT THE TML, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, THAT WHAT Y'ALL GOT FROM IT. YEAH. THAT IF YOU TABLE THAT ITEM, THAT ITEM WAS TO COME BACK ON THAT SAME MEETING, YOU'RE JUST TABLING IT TO MAYBE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE OR SOMETHING. BUT POSTPONED IS A TERM YOU SHOULD BE USING IF YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK AT ANOTHER MEETING. YEAH. THE VOCABULARY THERE WERE FOLLOWING WAS ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. THAT'S WHY. OH, I WOULDN'T FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF THEY, THEY SAID TO POSTPONE AND TO GIVE AN ESTIMATED DATE WHEN YOU WERE GONNA ADDRESS IT. WELL YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH TABLING TILL A FURTHER DATE. SO IT'S REALLY, [00:35:01] THAT ONE DOESN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. LET'S DATE WITH THE, WITH TABLE OF YEAH. TABLE. I THINK IT'S TABLE IT THAT MEANS, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE AGENDA. WE ALREADY TIME IT'S COMING BACK. AND THEN IF YOU STILL DON'T WANT TO ACT ON IT, YOU JUST LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE AND IT'S IN THE AGENDA THE NEXT TIME. AND THEN WHENEVER YOU WANT TO ACT ON IT, THEN YOU MOVE TO REMOVE FROM THE TABLE AND THEN YOU ACT ON IT. SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU POSTPONE, YOU MAY FORGET. I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT TABLING IT, THAT WE WERE KEEPING IT ON THE AGENDAS FOR TOO LONG WITHOUT A DATE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T CORRECT TO DO IT. YEAH. WELL, DEPENDS WHEN YOU WANT IT, YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. YEAH. BUT THEN YOU KEEP, YOU KEEP, KEEP TABLING AS LONG AS YOU WANT. IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO ACT ON IT, YOU CAN TABLE IT AGAIN OR YOU CAN TAKE NO ACTION. AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, BRING IT BACK. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHY TO ME, TABLING IS, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST A, I DON'T WANT TO ACT ON IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY, GOOD. SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS TO BE CLEAR THEN ON, JUST TO GET IT A, AN ITEM TO DIE OR TO GO AWAY? WE JUST TAKE NO ACTION. NO, YOU CAN KILL IT. LIKE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, GIMME AN EXAMPLE. UH, I DUNNO. UH, ANOTHER RAISE FOR FRED. ANOTHER RAISE FOR FRED. YEAH. UH, MOVE TO DENY ANOTHER RAISE FOR FRED. WHAT IF I WANT A SECOND? YOU KILL IT. WAS THAT ON THE TABLE? , WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT. YOU CAN DEFINITELY, YEAH. SO THERE, THERE'S SOME TIMES, UH, YEAH. I MEAN YOU CAN KILL SOMETHING BY ADDING DENY. OKAY. I THINK THE KEY IS JUST CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE COMMISSION. YEAH. AND IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT TERMS AND VERBIAGE WE WANT TO USE, THEN WE SHOULD BE FINE. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AS LONG AS WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE OPEN MEETINGS, ACTIVE ONLY DISCUSSING WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MUCH PASTOR YOU CAN GO TO A MEETING IF YOU DON'T . NOW THE CONSENT AGENDAS ARE GOOD. UM, NOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING DISCUSSED COMPLETELY. UM, THEY WANT US TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S ALL BUT, BUT THE ISSUE THERE, I GUESS THEY WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING, BUT NOW THEY HAVE THE AGENDA NOW ONLINE. SO IT'S COMPLETELY ONLINE WITH ALL THE BACKGROUND. EXACTLY. SEE, AND, AND REMEMBER, YOU ALL ARE A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE ELECTED YOU TO ACT ON THEIR BEHALF. HOW COULD WE, HOW COULD WE STREAMLINE IT SO THAT FRED OR THE ATTORNEY ALREADY HAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WHAT AGENDA ITEMS WANT TO BE PULLED? I ALWAYS CAN WE JUST SEND AN EMAIL BEFORE TELL YOU ALL, I ALWAYS TEXT YOU ALL. AND THAT'S OKAY TO, BECAUSE HONESTLY, BECAUSE I HATE THAT WE'RE LIKE HERE, 3, 4, 6, 5. IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING. JUST SAY, SOMETIMES IT'S SOMETHING SO MINOR AND OH, OKAY. IT COULD JUST BE A CLARIFICATION. I'M SORRY. AND, AND THEY ARE, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE OFFERED THAT MYSELF. UM, AND I'LL DO IT AGAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE TO GO OUT WITH A, YOU KNOW, A TEXT REMINDER, LIKE, LIKE THE ATTORNEY DOES, I MEAN, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE ALL WEEKEND. I'M AVAILABLE MONDAY, TUESDAY. UH, SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE AGENDA REVIEW BEFORE THAT. THAT'S FOR BIGGER AGENDAS AND FOR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE, UH, COMPLEX ITEMS. BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE JUST LIKE THE, THE ATTORNEY IS, UH, I SET THE AGENDA, I PUT IT TOGETHER. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH ON THERE THAT I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER. AND IF I DON'T OR IF I CAN'T, I'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT WILL. UH, AND USUALLY IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. SO AGAIN, FEEL FREE TO TEXT ME OR, YOU KNOW, CALL ME AND WE CAN DO IT ON MONDAY. WE CAN DO IT ON SUNDAY. I MEAN, I HATE TO BOTHER PEOPLE ON THE WEEKEND, BUT ANYTHING YOU ALL NEED, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. UH, AND WE, WE'D LOVE TO CLARIFY ANYTHING BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL COMING INTO THIS MEETING, UH, ON ANY ITEM, NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THAT ITEM MEANS OR WHAT IT COULD MEAN FOR THE CITY. OR, UH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED OR IF THERE'S A MISTAKE IN YOUR OPINION, THEN, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING WE MISSED. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE HERE FOR. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF AND MYSELF ARE HERE FOR. A LOT OF THE ITEMS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE ROUTINE INTER LOCALS WITH ACCOUNT DESK, INTER LOCALS AND LIBRARIES, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF THAT IS SICK OF EVERY YEAR. SAME THING OVER AND OVER. UM, SOME OF THE PROCUREMENT, UH, LIKE WHEN I STARTED MCAL, I TOLD 'EM, LOOK, I WANT, UH, CO-OP PURCHASES AND CONSENT. THEY'RE PRESUMED TO BE THE LOWEST ALREADY. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHY DO WE WANT TO GO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA APPROVE ANYWAY? AND IT'S A LOT OF PROCUREMENTS [00:40:01] AND THEIR MINIMUM TYPE OF STUFF. AND YOU HAVE, IT'S UNDER 50. YOU GET THE CODES AND YOU ALREADY HAVE 'EM. BUT PEOPLE HAVE 'EM. I MEAN, WHAT DO WE DO? THEY'RE THERE. AND Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE SURE TO TELL PEOPLE, HEY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE, YOU ARE, AND THEN, UH, AND THAT'S YOU GETTING TO THE ISSUE TRUST IF IT'S A BIGGER THING. OKAY. UH, WAS THE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS, WAS EVERYTHING PROPERTY STATUTORY? YES. THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED THAT CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SPOT. I, I THINK IT'S JUST NEW TO US DOING IT IN THIS FORMAT. AND THEN OF COURSE THE CITIZENS, IT'S NEVER BEEN THAT WAY AS WELL FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. SO I KNOW I DID HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN PRIOR TO IT BEING ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE IF I FEEL, IF I HAVE A CONCERN OR A QUESTION, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY ARE TOO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GET IT ANSWERED, BUT THEY DON'T, WELL, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT PUTTING IT IN THE WEBSITE. AND OF COURSE WE PUT EVERYTHING IN THE WEBSITE THAT'S OPEN EVERY NOW AND THEN. THERE'S GONNA BE STUFF THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL. WE CAN, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, WE PUT IT UP AND IF THEY WANT TO READ IT ITSELF, UH, THEY DON'T WANT TO READ IT AND THEY SPEND COMPLAINT AND THEN YOU TELL 'EM EVERYTHING WE HAVE, YOU HAVE IT AND YOU HAVE IT. YOU ADDED SEVEN, TWO HOURS. I THINK PERHAPS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD HELP WITH THAT WOULD BE IN THE AGENDA ITEMS ITSELF, IN THE, UH, WHERE IT SAYS RATIONALE. I MEAN, YOU GOT THE, YOU GOT THE COUNSEL OR THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO A RATIONALE, UH, PART OF THAT AGENDA ITEM. AND I THINK IF THAT WAS PERHAPS MORE CLEARLY WRITTEN OR ELABORATED ON A LITTLE BIT, IT MIGHT HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE A MEMO NOW, I, I'LL WORK WITH FRED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A MEMO, PHYSICAL IMPACT, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, THAT GIVES, WHEN I REVIEW MY AGENDA, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I GO TO. NO RECOMMENDATION, THE IMPACT AND, AND THAT'S IT. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. UP A LOT. LET ME ASK YOU, UH, ONCE WE HAVE THE, UH, THE, UH, UM, THE AGENDA ITEMS, AND WE TAKE IT OUT FROM THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CONSENT. NOW, I KNOW THERE WAS A ONE OF, UH, UH, IN THE PUBLIC THAT SAID THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO GO INDIVIDUAL. IF WE TAKE THE, LET'S SAY 2, 3, 4, 5, SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SAID THAT YEAH, THEY, THE PUBLIC GOT NO BUSINESS TALKING DURING NO, NO, IT WASN'T DURING THE MEETING, BUT IT WAS AFTER, AFTER THE MEETING, HE CAME OUT AND SAID, UH, MAYOR, YOU CANNOT GO BACK TO CONSENT. LIKE, UH, TWO AND THREE CANNOT GO BACK IN CONSENT. YOU GOTTA GO INDIVIDUAL ONE. SO DOES THAT, UH, ONCE YOU GO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 1212 IN CONSENT, BUT YOU TAKE OUT 4, 2, 3, 4, 5. OKAY. OUT OF THE CONSENT, WELL, NOW WE GO INDIVIDUAL. OKAY. BUT, UH, TWO AND THREE ARE ALMOST KIND OF THE SAME THING. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW. DO WE HAVE TO GO INDIVIDUAL NOW? WELL, OR CAN WE GO? WELL, IF YOU HOLD THEM, IF YOU PULL THEM, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DISCUSS THEM. RIGHT. SO I THINK THE ONE THAT MARY WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, ON ONE OF THE CONSENT WE HAD TO CANCEL A CERTAIN COMPANY, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS TO HIRE ANOTHER COMPANY BECAUSE THAT ONE GOT CANCELED. SO IT WAS CONTINGENT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO HE, AFTER THE MEETING, HE'S LIKE, HEY, THOSE GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATE. BAN TOLD HIM NO, THEY WERE, THEY RAN HAND IN HAND. YEAH, NO, IT'S CONTINGENT ONE ANOTHER. YOU CAN TAKE ACTION IF YOU ONE, BUT IT KILLS THE OTHER, OR, YOU KNOW, OR IT HAS THE EFFECT ON ANOTHER. BUT I, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT. IF THAT COMES UP, WE WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. BUT NO, YOU CAN TAKE HIM INDIVIDUALLY OR IF YOU SIDE, I JUST WANT TO ACT ON ALL OF THEM AGAIN TOGETHER. YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. HE CAME BACK LATER AND EMAILED, EMAILED ME AND SAID THAT WE WERE FINE. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY THEY WERE RELATED TO EACH OTHER. YEAH. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVEN I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, DID I? HE, NO. THE WAY HE TEXT ME WAS THAT, THAT YOU WERE WRONG. THAT'S IT. SO I SAID, OKAY. UH, HE CHANGED HIS MIND . SO, OKAY, WELL NOW EVEN SOMETIMES YOU MAY HAVE, AND I THINK, I THINK WE MAY HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE, AND THE AGENDA ITEMS, TWO, THREE ITEMS THAT ARE, YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER. YOU PUT 'EM TOGETHER. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I MOVE TO A APPROVE ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. YOU CAN DO THAT. WE ALL CAN DISCUSS IT OR NOT. A LOT OF TIMES YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION IF YOU ALREADY KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. UM, TALK TO ME, WHAT Y'ALL, I LIKE THIS ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OKAY. ALL THE COMMENTS I THINK I HAVE RECOMMENDED. WAS IT HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY. OKAY. OKAY. SOMEWHERE ELSE. MY RECOMMENDATION IS PUBLIC COMMENTS [00:45:02] TO DO EVEN BEFORE MEETINGS. OKAY. YOU CAN PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO AND THEY CAN COME TELL YOU, YOU GUYS ARE CROOK. YOU GUYS ARE THIS, YOU GUYS LIKE WHAT WE DO PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE MEETING. HEY, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEY SPEAK AND THAT'S IT. WE DON'T TELEVISE THAT. THE REASON WE DON'T TELEVISE THAT IS BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A FEW TIMES WE HAVE SOME CRAZIES. OKAY? WE HAVE ONE WE CALL AQUAMAN AND HE'LL GO AND DO SOME, SOME RIDICULOUS STUFF. AND THERE'S THE OTHER ONE, IT'S A GOVERNATOR. OKAY? AND SO THIS WOUND COMES IN SHORTS, MUSCLE SHIRT WITH GLASSES, A COWBOY HAND, AND, BUT HE HAS A RIGHT TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE DO, BUT HE WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR, THEN HE DECIDED NOPE. AND I MEAN, HE, HE PUTS ON A SHOW AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BUT I DECIDED NOW FIRST TO THE PEOPLE AND NOW I'M GONNA RUN FOR GOVERNOR. IS THAT'S A PIZZA, THAT'S A PIZZA GUY, OR NO, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE. NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. OH YEAH. YOU GUYS GOT A LOT OF CHARACTERS KNOW WE HAVE THREE. YEAH, THEY HAVE PIZZA. YOU HAVE A PIZZA GUY. SO I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY CAN GO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS IF THEY WANT TO TALK REGARDING AN ITEM AND YOU HAVE TO LET 'EM, BUT YOU ASK THAT THEY SIGN, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 MINUTES BEFORE THAT WAY WE'RE READY. IF YOU DON'T SIGN, THEN, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO ALSO HAVE, SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE JUST, JUST TALKING, INTERRUPTING AND DOING ALL STUFF. OKAY. SO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETINGS AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY DURING THE MEETING. AS LONG AS IT'S RELATED TO AN AGENDA ITEM. CORRECT. BUT IF THEY SIGNED UP, IF THEY SIGNED UP, CORRECT. IF THEY DON'T SIGN UP, HEY, I'M OFF FOR THAT. YEP. WELL, I CAN GET YOU THE STUFF ON HOW IT IS. EXCELLENT. DO WE ALLOW 'EM TO, TO SPEAK ON THE, LIKE, UH, LET'S SAY EXAMPLE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, YOU KNOW, DO, AND UH, WE HAVE LET'S SAY EXAMPLE THAT THEY DO THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, UH, THE ONE GO TALK ON THAT SPECIFIC ON THE AGENDA ITSELF. DO WE ALLOW 'EM TO TALK THERE OR NO? IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY, YES. YOU HAVE TO ON ON THAT ONE WOULD WHAT GENERALLY, TO ME THE BEST WAY IS YOU START THE MEETING AND OKAY, UH, MR. WHATEVER SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, GO AHEAD. AND THEN THEY'LL SAY WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY'RE DONE. OKAY. THEN YOU PROCEED ON THE AGENDA. DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR WHEN YOU HIT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, YOU ALREADY TALKED. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEP. SO WE KNOCK IT OUT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN CONSENT. OKAY, SORRY. YEAH, NO, HAVE TURN IT ON. YEAH. FORGOT. BUT YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN THAT WAY IF THEY WANT TO LEAVE IT ON CONSENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT JUST FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM SO HE CAN SPEAK. THEY ALREADY SPOKE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. AND LIKE, I KNOW I'VE HAD SOME ENTITIES THAT SAY, NO, I WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING HERE, BUT THEY DON'T GET IT. LIKE I TELL 'EM, LOOK, WHAT IS TESTIMONY, WHAT IS COMMON? AND ONE THEY CAN TELL YOU, YOU GUYS ARE KILLED. YOU GUYS ARE THIS, YOU GUYS ARE THE WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, YOU GUYS. AND THEY CAN DO THAT BEFORE YOU COULD SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, GET THE HELL OUT. NOW. OPEN. OPEN. BUT YOU DON'T WANT THAT TELEVISED EITHER. YOU KNOW, WHEN HAVE CRAZY PEOPLE, WE GOT MIKE TRAVIS. THAT TELLS US HOW GOOD WE ARE. MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP HIM IN THE MEETING THOUGH. . SO, SO IF IT'S NOT ON THE, UH, IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, HIS PUBLIC COMMENT CAN BE HEARD. IT CAN, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST DO IT BEFORE THE MEETING. THE REASON I SAY A COUPLE, A COUPLE COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, A GENTLEMAN CONCERNED ABOUT A CERTAIN STREET AND IT WAS NOT AN AGENDA. I MEAN, HE DIDN'T SAY NOTHING WRONG, BUT WOULD THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HAVING IT OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO START THE WHAT I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE ROBOT STUFF HERE ELSE FOR, I JUST SEEN THAT ONE WITH, I MEAN, HAD A GREAT COMMENT OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. NO. IF IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA. IF IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. YEAH, THEY CAN JUST COME TALK A IH YOU, I HATE, I HATE I, I ALL OF 'EM ARE OUR, WITHIN OUR MEETING. THAT'S WHY I SAY KEEP IT OUTSIDE OF MEETING. SO WE'D HAVE TO START THE MEETING ABOUT THE INSTEAD, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE, TWO MINUTES BEFORE. WELL, IF WE HAVE, UH, LIKE A THREE, UH, PEOPLE WITH COMMENTS, SO IT'S, UH, 3, 6, 9. SO IT'S ABOUT NINE MINUTES. WE STILL GIVE THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT REALLY IS MORE OUT RESPECT YOU WANT. WELL, THE SAME THING AS YOU'RE ACCEPTING A PUBLIC COMMENT OR NOT. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S EITHER ACCEPTING A PUBLIC COMMENT OR NOT. I MEAN, I'M SAYING RESPECT, BUT YOU'RE TAKING OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT OUT. IT'S IN THERE. YOU'RE NOT PART OF, IT'S NOT PART OF MEETING. CORRECT. [00:50:02] SO WE KNOW WE DON'T NEED A FORUM REPORT. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE, IS IT PART OF THE MEETING? IT'S PART OF THE MEETING, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT AS PART OF THE RECORD, SO CAN WE DO IT LIKE, UH, BETWEEN FIVE 15 AND FIVE 30 PUBLIC COMMENTS IN PUBLIC, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TESTIMONY, TESTIMONIES, UH, TESTIMONY IS DURING THE MEETING. DURING MEETING, OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENTS. CAN WE GIVE 'EM 50 MINUTES BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, WELCOME THIS. DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY? SO I DON'T, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD REQUIRE US BEING HERE AT FIVE 15. SO I WOULD REALLY A FEW MINUTES BEFORE, EVEN IF THE MEETING STARTS A LITTLE. OKAY. CAN YOU PUT A TIME IN AS WELL? OH, DEFINITELY. YEAH. IT IS STILL THREE MINUTES. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO TWO MINUTES. SOMETIMES I GET AMUSEMENT GOING BACK AND LOOK, LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS ON A LIVE FEED THOUGH. WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU WANT BE AMUSE WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, MAN, THEY HAVE CRAZY PEOPLE. THAT'S TRUE. BECAUSE WE, WE, WELL, I WAS ONE OF 'EM. I GOT OFF THE STAND AND I GAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. , I WANT THAT EVERY NOW AND THEN. BUT LIKE I'M TELLING YOU, FOR US IN MY CALENDAR'S THREE THAT LIKE NOBODY, NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MENTAL ISSUES OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT, BUT THEY JUST TAKE TIME. THEY, THEY'RE SOMETIMES OFFENSIVE. THEY'RE, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA, CAN WE GO BACK TO, UH, HOW IT IS THAT WE CONDUCT CONVERSATIONS HERE AND WHO'S RECOGNIZED? AND SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR PROCESS OF DEFORM OR WELL, USUALLY COMMISSIONER, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE LIKE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING AND YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE IS TALKING TO DO, AND I USUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR CHANCE. IF YOU'RE TALKING FIRST, YOU START FIRST AND ANYBODY'S JUMPED IN SECOND, I TRY TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HAVE A ORDER. THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT TOO, USUALLY. UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? WELL, FIRST IS, DO WE EVEN NEED A PRESENTATION BY, BY A STAFF MEMBER? MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS SIDE? UH, WHILE SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING? OKAY. AND THEN AFTERWARDS OVER WHERE? OKAY. AND THEN RECOGNIZE ANYBODY. BUT IF, IF, IF YOU DO ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE AND IT WORKS, AND AS LONG AS EVERYBODY RESPECTS EACH OTHER AND YEAH, I TOTALLY IT. THIS, I MEAN, WE'LL TRY. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO BEGIN A DISCUSSION? NO, THAT'S AN UNDER ROBERT'S RULES. THEY, THEY NEED A MOTION. NEED THIS, BUT YEAH, NOBODY FOLLOWS UP. THAT'S WHY I SAID, UH, I DON'T, NUMBER ONE, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I LOOK AND I'LL LOOK TO YOUR SIDE. I LOOK ON THIS SIDE. NOBODY SAYS NOTHING. OKAY, DO I HAVE A MOTION? YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES? YOU WOULD NEVER FINISH OBJECTION ON THE BOARD, OR I WANT AN AMENDMENT. AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S WHY IT'S EASIER. I THINK IT'S EASIER, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY FOLLOW ROBERT'S. SOUNDS GOOD, . BUT WHEN I, WHEN I TOOK THE CLASS, I SAID, OH MY GOD, WHAT DO YOU NEED? I'M ALREADY CONFUSED OVER EVERYTHING, WHAT'S GOING ON? BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, I WILL JUST, UH, MAKE SURE THAT I, UM, I'M ALWAYS FOLLOWING YOUR DIRECTION THEN MAYOR, WHEN YOU'RE SO YOU CAN MANAGE THE CONVERSATION WELL, LIKE SAID, MAYOR, MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CONTROL. YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GOT THE GAVEL. WELL, I NEVER USED IT OVER THERE, BUT, BUT ANYWAY. YOU KNOW WHAT, SOMEBODY, ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, UH, A SECOND. YES. ALL IN FAVOR AGAINST. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM. BOOM. YOU JUST CALL NOW IF THERE'S QUESTIONS. OF COURSE. YEAH. YOU, Y'ALL, Y'ALL DISCUSS THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, DURING DISCUSSIONS, THERE'S NO REASON TO, TO GRAND STAND, AND I'M GONNA SAY YOU ALL DO, BUT I'VE SEEN, OH BOY. WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK AND DO THIS AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY SEES THE VIDEOS. SECOND, THE ONLY ONES, YOU'RE USUALLY A STAFF AND MAYBE, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE. THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY'RE DISGRUNTLED OR SOMETHING. NOBODY CARES AT THE VERY END. UN UNLESS IT REALLY AFFECTS THEM. IT REALLY DOES AFFECT, AFFECT EVERYBODY. BUT INDIVIDUALLY THEY DON'T. THE CHIEF IS ALWAYS HERE. AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO US? CHIEF? COME ON. CHIEF WANTS TO GO HOME. , ALL THE STAFF WANTS TO GO HOME TOO. OKAY. THE CHIEF WANTS TO GO HOME. EVERYBODY DOES. THAT'S WHY I SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANT TO SEND THE FAMILY BACK TO THE OF COURSE. YEAH. I'VE SEEN LIKE, WE'LL PULL OUT AN ITEM JUST TO LIKE, THANK THE STAFF. IT'S LIKE YOU CAN THANK THE STAFF AND NOT HAVE TO PULL OUT THE ITEM. YEAH, I TOLD YOU GUYS THAT. YES, [00:55:01] BECAUSE I REMEMBER ONE TIME, LIKE IT WAS, EVERYTHING WAS OLD AND THANK YOU. YOU DID A GOOD JOB TODAY. YOU KNOW, BUT NO, THAT'S NOT THE REASON. PULL OUT OF OUR ITEM. I, I'M ALWAYS THANKING MY, MY ADMINISTRATION STAFF AND EVERYTHING, BUT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, GUYS, WHENEVER, BUT IT'S, NO, THAT'S NOT A REASON TO LIE. OKAY. OKAY. WHERE ARE WE AT? WHAT DO WE NEED? WELL, I I, I LIKE THE DISCUSSION AS WELL. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, SIR. THE, UH, IDEA OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE COVER SHEET FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, EACH OF THE AGENDA ITEMS MAKES TREMENDOUS SENSE TO ME AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. THAT AS WELL. WITH THAT SAID, SOMETIMES I'LL, I'LL SEE THE AGENDA AND I SEE FRED'S SIGNATURE, BUT I DON'T SEE THE ATTORNEY'S SIGNATURE. AND I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING THE ATTORNEY'S SIGNATURE OR NOT. BUT WHAT THAT JUST BASICALLY TELLS ME IS THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED IT AND THERE'S NO ISSUES. A LOT OF THE STUFF, LIKE I CAN, I CAN ASSURE YOU, YOU HAVE MEMOS, MOUS, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF. IT'S THE SAME THING. LIKE I KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA SEE AND NOW IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES AND WE DISCUSS THAT A LOT, . SO IS IT REQUIRED OR NOT? WOULD IT, WOULD IT, THE COMFORT IT PROVIDES ME AS A COMMISSION IS THAT THE ATTORNEY HAS LOOKED AT WHAT THE STAFF HAS PREPARED, AND WE CAN DO THAT. IF IT MAKES YOU ALL MORE COMFORTABLE, WE CAN DO ALL THAT. I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT THE, THE QUESTION WAS, UH, MEPO, UH, UH, THE PAST ATTORNEY THAT WE HAD, 'CAUSE I DID MENTION IT TO HIM AND SAID, WELL, WHERE'S YOUR SIGNATURE? HE GOES, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO. HE SAID, WHY NOT? BECAUSE THEN, UH, ANYTHING IN THERE THAT YOU ALL DO, I'M HELD ACCOUNTABLE. SO I SAID, I'M GONNA BE, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. SO YOU CAN JUST PUT IN THERE, REVIEW, REVIEWED. OKAY. AND I'M OKAY FOR REVIEW. DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BEEN APPROVED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL DO. AND IF THERE'S ANY LEGAL ISSUES LATER ON, OR THAT'S STILL LEGAL ISSUES NO MATTER WHAT. OKAY? BUT WHENEVER I SEE AN AGENDA, I CAN PRETTY MUCH KNOW A LOT OF THE TIMES, ANY, ANY POSSIBLE ISSUES OR GREG TELL ME, OR YOU KNOW, RUTH CALLED ME ABOUT SOMETHING. IF WE WANT TO, WE CAN DO THAT. I'LL GET, I'LL GET YOU A SAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, NOW ANOTHER QUESTION. I KNOW IT'S BEEN ASKED, UM, WHEN WE CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS AND THE SAME PERSON, UM, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY PRESENT WHEN WE'RE CONDUCTING OUR MEETINGS, IF THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CANNOT GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON 5 5 1 0 7 1 WITHOUT YOUR ATTORNEY, OKAY? THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE YOUR ATTORNEY. OTHER TIMES YOU CAN HAVE A MEETING WITH WITHOUT ATTORNEY. BUT OF COURSE, THE ATTORNEY HAS TO BE, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF I'M NOT HERE, SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS, OR A LOT OF TIMES ATTORNEYS ARE JUST BABYSITTING IF EVERYTHING'S DONE, BOOM. AND IT'S ALSO LEGAL TO PHONE THEM IN. YEAH, THE ATTORNEY. THE ATTORNEY IN, LIKE, I'VE BEEN GOING LATELY, I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN QUITE A BIT. I'VE COVERED MEETINGS IN STC AND ZOOM AND AS, OR, OR I REPRESENTED CRYSTAL CITY THE LAST TIME I WENT TO CRYSTAL STUDIES PROBABLY OVER A YEAR AGO. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS OKAY WHENEVER THERE'S ISSUES. OKAY. SO WHAT ARE FUTURE ITEMS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN THIS ETHICS COMMITTEE, ETHICS WORKSHOP. WHAT WE KIND OF HAD IN THERE. I WANT TO KIND OF COVER LIKE THIS. I MEAN, I, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL HAVE ENJOYED THIS TYPE OF STUFF, THAT, DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, OPEN MEETINGS. ONE, DO OPEN RECORD, DO SOME ETHICS, SOME NEPOTISM, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE PRETTY QUICK. UH, PROCUREMENT POLICIES AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU OFTEN THINK ABOUT. BUT THE, THE, THE, LIKE, I, I LIKE THAT FROM OPEN MEETINGS TO EVEN SOME OF THE PROCEDURAL STUFF THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO, WELL, I, I THINK IT BECOMES A, A CONSTANT IN PROGRESS TRAINING. SO IF YOU'RE HERE WITH US TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SMACK US ON THE HEAD EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THAT, THAT'S GREAT. WELL, AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT. I AM. THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ALSO ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE CAN PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA AND THE, I THINK THE CITY HAS A DEADLINE, RUTH, IF YOU COULD JUST REVIEW THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. AND WE HAVE NEW COMMISSION AND SOMETIMES WE STILL ASK WHO IS ABLE TO ADD SOMETHING TO AN AGENDA ITEM, PAT, WITHIN THE 72 HOURS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IN THE, THE CHARTER, WHAT DOES IT HAVE? BECAUSE USUALLY THE AMERICAN PUT WHATEVER, THE CITY MANAGER WILL KNOW THE STUFF ON BUS, AND THEN I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT'S [01:00:01] IN HERE, BUT USUALLY IT'S TWO, TWO COMMERS, TWO MEMBERS I CAN REQUEST. BUT THE THING IS THAT THIS, THIS WAS A, AN ONGOING ISSUE IN THE PAST. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I CAME IN, MAYOR IN 2021, UM, RUTH WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A TIME LIMIT OF WEDNESDAY NOONTIME WAS A CUTOFF. ANYBODY THAT, THAT WANTED TO PUT ANY MORE AGENDAS, THEY COULDN'T. RUTH WAS STAYING HERE, UH, TO THE POINT, UH, 8, 9, 9 O'CLOCK IN THE MOR, UH, AT NIGHT TO 10 O'CLOCK BY HERSELF. AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHEN I, WHEN I STARTED FINDING OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, I SAID, RUTH, THERE'S A CUTOFF DATE, RIGHT? SHE GOES, YES, WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CUTOFF? WEDNESDAY NOONTIME. OKAY, FROM THERE ON, I'M TELLING YOU. OKAY. AND I TOLD HER, AND I TOLD MANNY, WELL, THE OTHER PREVIOUS, UH, CITY MANAGER, I SAID, NOONTIME, I DON'T WANT NOBODY, NO DIRECTORS. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOBODY'S COMING IN HERE AND THROWING MORE AT, YOU KNOW, ANY MORE ITEMS, AGENDAS IN THERE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING, MARY, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALL WANT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING, HOW DO YOU DO IT IF YOU DO IT TO AGAIN, YEAH. AND SHE WAS STAYING AT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT O'CLOCK. EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. SO THAT'S IT. Y'ALL AGREE ON, HEY, THIS WEDNESDAY, THIS IS IT. NOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL A SPECIAL MEETING IF SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. EXACTLY. THAT WAS IT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, AND ANOTHER THING IS, UH, TWO COMMISSIONERS, THEY NEED TO COME IN BEFORE YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, SIGNED. THEY HAVE TO SIGN BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE OPEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE RECORDS ALSO THAT TWO COMMISSIONERS WANTED AN ITEM AND IT, THE, THE TWO COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO COME IN AND SIGN IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SIGN THAT ON THE DOCUMENT. WELL, THE OTHER THING THAT'S EASIER IF A COMM COMMISSIONER CALLS THE MAYOR AND SAYS, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS ITEM, THE MAYOR, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. I'VE DONE IT BEFORE TOO. BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET INVOLVED. YES. YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL BACK YOU UP. CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO COMMERS TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE THING IS, I DON'T WANT IT GOING PAST NOON TIME ON WEDNESDAY. THAT WAS THE WHOLE DEAL BEHIND IT. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT HER STAYING EIGHT O'CLOCK AT, OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR COMING ON THE WEEKENDS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET SET UP EVERYTHING SO IT COULD BE SET UP. THEN WE SAID, WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? THEY SAID, WELL, BECAUSE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE DIRECTORS ARE COMING IN AT THE END AND SAY, WELL, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO GET, NO, THAT'S IT. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT WAS DONE OKAY. TO GET THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, UNDER, UNDER CONTROL, YOU KNOW? SO ESPECIALLY YOU WANT BACKUP DOCUMENTS. EXACTLY. THAT I HAD SOMETHING . SO OPEN MEETINGS, ANYTHING ELSE, PROCEDURES, MEETINGS. BUT ONE OF, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS RESPECT EACH OTHER. YEP. RESPECT. AND YOU ALL DISAGREE. Y'ALL CAN DISAGREE. AND THEN BOTH AND WHOEVER WINS, WINS. AND AFTER THAT, OKAY. OH, PLEASE, LATE IT'S GO AGAIN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST THING. THEY'RE BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THOUGHTS, THOUGHT PROCESS, DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND SOMETIMES YOU AGREE, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IF EVERYBODY'S DOING THE RIGHT THING, 90 SOMETHING PERCENT OF THE TIME, YOU ALL WILL VOTE UNANIMOUS. THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO BAKERY AND POLITICS AND THAT YOU START LIFE. OF COURSE. OKAY. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, BAPTISM AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. WE CAN, UH, NEPOTISM. WHO KNOWS WHAT NEPOTISM IS? I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE CHEATING. NOW. READ IT. IT'S THE AWARD OF EMPLOYMENT OR APPOINTMENT ON THE BASIS OF KINSHIP. THE PRACTICE OF CONTRARY TO SOUND PUBLIC POLICY, WHICH IS WHY PROHIBITIONS AGAINST BAPTISM ARE COMMON IN ALL STATES, INCLUDING TEXAS. NOW, IS THERE IS A, A STATE STATUTE, CHAPTER 5 73 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY ALSO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY BAPTISM STATUTE DOES NOT APPLY TO UNPAID POSITIONS. THAT IS KEY. THAT IS KEY. IT'S AN UNPAID POSITION. NEPOTISM DOESN'T. OKAY. YOU GET INTO THE ISSUE OF, AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN BEFORE IS, HEY, I WANT TO HIRE A RELATIVE, BUT I'M GONNA ABSTAIN. OKAY? SO WHAT HAPPENS THERE? [01:05:03] YOU DON'T VOTE. YOU STAY. I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT? YOU DON'T VOTE. WHO DOESN'T VOTE? WELL, WELL, OKAY, SAY IT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. YEAH, YOU, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY COMMISSIONER MORALES, UHHUH HAS A DAUGHTER THAT SHE WANTS TO GET HIRED, HIRE HERE, GET HIRED. I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, GOD NEPOTISM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HAVE FAINT AND YOU GUYS WANT TO HELP HER OUT. YOU GUYS, ALL OF YOU WANT TO HELP HER OUT. FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU GET HER IN? FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION ABOUT HIRING HER BECAUSE THAT GOES TO HIM. MM-HMM. CITY MANAGER. OKAY? THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO HIRE HER AND ALL OF YOU WANT TO HIRE HER, AND SHE'S UPSTANDING. WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, CITY SECRETARY, WHO ELSE DO THEY HAVE? CHIEF OF POLICE? JUST NO, JUST CITY MANAGER. AND YOU? JUST HIM, JUST CITY MANAGER. YOU AND YOU AND HIM. OKAY, YOU TOO. I WANNA, I WANT TO HIRE THE LAWYER THAT'S COMMISSIONER MORALE'S DAUGHTER. AND HE WANTS TO HIRE HER. ALL OF YOU WANT HIRE HER, HIRE THE ATTORNEY. OKAY. I SUSTAIN. I CAN ANSWER. AND SHE ABSTAINED. HAD TO GO DO IT. YES. YEAH. NO, IT IS PAID. NO, THIS ONE, OUR POSITION HERE IS A PAID NO, BUT THAT'S, NO, THAT'S WHAT POSITION YOU'RE POINTING. THE ATTORNEY IS PAID. OH YEAH. THAT POSITION'S PAID. OKAY, BUT WE'RE UP. SO LET'S, I'M YOUR SON. MM-HMM. . I WANT TO GET HIRED. YOU ABSTAIN. RED WANTS ME, THE COMMISSION WANTS ME. YES. YAY. SHE WOULD HAVE TO SIGN A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM AND, AND ABSTAIN. AND THEN WE COULD STILL VOTE HER SON IN. YEAH. ACCEPT, JUST VIOLATED THE LAW. OH, TO BUT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS WITH FAMILY, WITH ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S FAMILY. YES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YES. CORRECT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE, MR. NOVATO SON WORKS AT THE DEALERSHIP AND WE WANT TO BUY VEHICLES. AND HIS SON PUT IN A BID FOR THE VEHICLES FOR PROCUREMENT. HE ABSTAINS CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT WE CAN STILL BUY THE VEHICLES. YES, BUT THAT'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST. OH, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN NEPOTISM. OKAY. SO NEPOTISM. YOU GET IT. ANYBODY HERE, EVEN IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IT'S, HEY, I GOT YOU. YEAH. , PAID POSITION NOW. YEAH. NOT TO BOS TO BOARD. YOU CAN PEOPLE BOARD. YEAH. TO BOARD. YOU CAN'T. YEAH, YOU CAN'T. AND WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NO PAID. I JUST WANT VERIFICATION. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S AN EASY ONE. IF IT'S AN UNPAID POSSESSION, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER. SO YOU CAN GET, UH, HAVE THE WHOLE FAMILY IN THERE, . YOU CAN HAVE THE WHOLE FAMILY IN THERE. FAMILY IS THERE. YEAH. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T EVEN THINK RED CAN PUT IN AS A FAMILY WHO THE HIRING AUTHORITY IS GIVEN TO YOU. TO CHARTER. YEAH. ADMINISTRATIVE DUTY OPERATIONS. AND THEN, THEN, THEN THERE'S SOME TIMES WHEN YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEN YOU GET INTO YOUR PARENTS OF IMPROPRIETY, OF HIRING A FAMILY MEMBER. SO EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AGAINST THE LAW, BUT IT JUST LOOKS UGLY. I HAD A, A NEPHEW OF MINE, UH, HE WENT AND HE APPLIED IN THE CITY AND THEY HIRED HIM, AND THEN HE TOLD, HEY, YOU GUYS JUST GOT HIRED. WHAT? NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE CITY MANAGERS DOES ALL THE HIRE, IMMEDIATE FAMILY IS HIRING BEYOND THE CITY MANAGER AN ATTORNEY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT, PERHAPS WITH A CHARTER ISSUE, WITH DEEP US HIRE BEING ABLE TO HIRE DEEPER INTO LEADERSHIP BECAUSE YOU GET MORE. NO, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM HIRING GOOD. POSSIBLE. I'M FINE. YOU HIRE, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU, YOU DON'T HIRE THE CHIEF OF POLICE? NO. IS IT HAVE SOMETHING? A LOT OF THE TIMES THOSE ARE THE POSSESSIONS. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MATTER, THE, THE CITY MANAGER, CITY SECRETARY, CHIEF OF POLICE, CITY ATTORNEY, MUNICIPAL JUDGE, THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE IS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER. BUT IT IS APPOINTED, UH, IT IS VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION. THE MUNICIPAL JUDGES. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S, UH, AND THAT'S PAID. [01:10:01] SO THAT CAN JUST TO BE UPON THE RECOMMENDATION, RATIFIED BY THE BOARD. WE WOULD HOPE OF COURSE, THAT ANY, WE WOULD HOPE OF COURSE, THAT ANY OF THESE MAJOR POSITIONS, THE, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BRING IT TO US FOR ANY COUNCIL AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. NOT THAT WE DON'T TRUST EVERY ABOVE YOU. WELL, THERE, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH MAGIC IN THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW. YES, SIR. QUESTION. UM, SOMEBODY RELATED TO ANYBODY ON THE BOARD, LET'S JUST SAY, UH, COMMISSIONER LAN, MAYOR PRO, TE LAN WANTS TO COME IN AND VOLUNTEER HIS TIME OR HER TIME, UM, EITHER TO FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY OR ONE, SHE, SHE'S A, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER'S TIME OR HER TIME IN RETURN FOR SOME, UH, IN KIND CONTRIBUTION THAT HE CAN MAYBE WORK AND USE, UH, ON HIS TAX RETURN OR HER TAX RETURN. IT'S VOLUNTEERED, BUT HE'S GONNA GET, HE OR SHE'S GONNA GET CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE HE'S PROVIDING A SERVICE. LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE HELPING PEOPLE DO TAXES, BUT HE'S NOT CHARGING. AND IT'S FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY WANTS TO DO THAT. IS THAT NEPOTISM? IF HE'S NOT GETTING PAID? WELL, NEPO, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID, IT'S NOT NEPOTISM, BUT HE IS CLAIMING IT ON HIS, HE'S GONNA CLAIM THAT AS A, AS A DEDUCTION ON HIS TAXES. THAT'S, THAT'S MORE OF MY ARREST ISSUE. I STILL WOULDN'T SEE IT . OKAY. JUST A QUESTION. BUT, BUT I MEAN, WOULD IT RAISE ISSUES WITH THE I ARREST OR SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, NO, THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND HIS CPA OR HER AND HER CPA. I'M JUST SAYING FROM THE GOVERNING BODY STANDPOINT, THEY'D BE OKAY. THEY'D BE COVERED. THAT IS AN UN CORRECT. OKAY. NOW QUESTION. NOW, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S ALREADY WORKING IN THE CITY PRIOR TO YOU BECOMING COMMISSIONER, AND YOU BECOME COMMISSIONER. I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONFLICT WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN MISUNDERSTANDING AGAIN THAT THERE IS NO BAPTISM. AND IF THIS PERSON'S ALREADY BEEN WORKING HERE FOR YEARS PRIOR TO YOU COMING ABOARD, GEN, GENERALLY YOU'RE OKAY. BUT AS FAR AS IMPROVING GOING UP AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF, THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE'S GONNA BE. YOU KNOW, LIKE PROMOTIONS. UNLESS SEE SOMEBODY, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE A CITY MANAGER. I'M GONNA DO IT. SO I, I NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. BUT USUALLY IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE A YEAR OR YOU KNOW YEAH. THE TENURE OF HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN HERE. YES. BUT, SO THERE'S, THAT ONE CHANGES A LITTLE BIT, BUT YEAH, USUALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE SAME. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ADDRESS, WE SHOULD ADDRESS WITH OUR PERSONNEL POLICY. I THINK IT EVEN INCLUDES WHEN YOU'RE A CANDIDATE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I KNOW THAT SOME CITIES HAVE LIKE A YEAR OR THAT THAT PERSON HAD TO BE EMPLOYED AT LEAST A YEAR OR TWO YEARS PRIOR TO MM-HMM. , THAT PERSON RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND OR GETTING, GETTING ELECTED. AND AT THAT POINT, THERE IS NO NEPOTISM, BUT IT'S UP TO THE GOVERNING BODY, I THINK. WELL, IT'S STATUTORY ALSO. IT IS. IT'S BASED ON STATUTORY. BUT WE CAN GO BEYOND THAT OR, YEAH. NOW WHAT FRED'S TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S STATUTES. SOMETIMES YOU CANNOT BE MORE LENIENT IN THE STATUTES. CORRECT. BUT YOU CAN BE MORE STRINGENT. YOU CAN NEVER GO UNDER THE STATUTORY. OKAY. YEAH. IT STATES IT IN, IN THE BOOK. THIS TL BOOK IS REAL GOOD. IT STATES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 30 DAYS IF THE MEMBER IS APPOINTED, OR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS IF THE MEMBER IS ELECTED. YOU GET, YOU GET INTO ALL THAT STUFF, THEN I'M, I'M GONNA, LATER ON, I'LL GIVE YOU ALL THIS STUFF. THERE'S SO MUCH RESOURCES FROM CML, UH, THEY'RE ALL, UH, OPEN AND COVERED, OPEN RECORDS, MADE EASY OPEN MEETINGS, MADE EASY, PROCUREMENT LAWS MADE EASY, ALL THAT STUFF. THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF IN THERE. AND THEN ALSO WE'LL GET INTO THE EDC STUFF, EVEN THOUGH YOU ALL ARE ACTUALLY, SOME OF YOU ARE IN THE BCS, BUT THERE'S A TECH, UH, I THINK THIS WAS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, . IT IS AWESOME. AND THAT'S USUALLY UPDATED HERE. AND IT JUST CHANGED. YOU GOT, LIKE, I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST CAME IN, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DDC, I'M LIKE, , I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT LATELY. 'CAUSE THAT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. BUT I MEAN, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF, BUT NEPOTISM, THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WHERE IT IS. AND THE KEY IS ALWAYS UNPAID. OKAY. BUT YEAH. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. MY, MY WIFE SITS IN THE MACALLAN PARK AND REGULAR, OF COURSE, SHE DOESN'T GET PAID. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T APPOINT HER OR, UH, MY, MY BUDDY DID. BUT LIKE, I DIDN'T WANT HER THERE. . [01:15:02] SO QUESTIONS OF NEPOTISM. YEAH. SOME OF US, WE GO BACK, UH, COME BACK ANOTHER DAY. I THINK IT'S, UH, WE'RE GOING FOR TWO HOURS ALREADY. SO I THINK IT'S, I GOTTA GO. YEP. I THINK, UH, IT'S, WE'LL CALL IT A DAY. WELL, GOOD. BUT I, I MEAN, I HOPE, I HOPE YOU ALL START LOOKING AT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, STABILIZE, MAKE PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE UNDERSTAND AND SEE THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DOING THE RIGHT THING. YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE FUTURE OF, WHAT IS IT? I 69 EAST? I'M TELLING YOU, YOU GUYS ARE, I THINK, UH, WE COULD, I GUESS DISCUSS BEFORE WE ADJOURN, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THE NEXT, UM, TRAINING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROCUREMENT OBVIOUSLY BEING A BIG ONE, RIGHT? WE HAVE PROCUREMENT, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UH, DECOR, WE JUST SPEAK THROUGH THROUGHOUT OF BEING, BEING RESPECTFUL, BEING MET, BUDGETING. AND LATER ON WE CAN GO TO THE . BUT ANY, ANYTHING Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT WILL DO. HONESTLY, I ENJOY DOING THIS. TALKING AN OPEN CONVERSATION. I THINK IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHEN YOU HAVE POWERPOINTS. , YOU KNOW, I HATE POWERPOINTS. YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE GIVE YOU A POWERPOINT AND THEN THEY GO READ IT, I ALREADY HAVE IT. POWERPOINT IS TO DEATH. . EXACTLY. O MAYOR, IF Y'ALL WANT RECESS. OH, AND THE OTHER THING IS YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION OR A SECOND TO RECESS OR TO ADJOURN. THERE'S BE MORE FOR THE BUSINESSES. WE NEED AURN. OKAY. NOW DO WE, WE, WHEN WE COME ON BOARD AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE DO SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE WON'T, WE'LL FOLLOW THE CODE OF ETHICS, THE NEPOTISM LAW, AND THEN RUTH, UM, WHAT IS IT, THE SEALS IT OR WHAT IS IT CALLED? NOTARIZE. NOTARIZE IT. I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE TERM. THE SPECIAL TERM. DO WE NEED SOMETHING MORE BEYOND THAT? MORE MORE SPECIFIC, OR IS THAT SUFFICIENT? WE JUST DO THE OATH OF OFFICE. YOU DO THAT ONE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED. AND THEN NOW YOU NEED TO DO THE, THE TRAINING. MANDATED TRAINING. AND WE, WE DO THE TRAININGS EVERY YEAR WHEN NEWLY ELECTED. WHAT TRAINING SPECIFICALLY? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONFLICT. THAT ONE FACULTY, YOU HAVE TO DO OPEN MEETINGS. WELL, THOSE ARE, YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL COMPLETE ALREADY. OPEN MEETINGS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. BUT WHENEVER YOU GO TO THOSE TRAININGS, USUALLY YOU DON'T TALK TOO MUCH. YOU LISTEN. YEAH. SO YOU REALLY DON'T LEARN TOO MUCH. MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS GO HAVE A GOOD TIME. I SAID MOST WE, YEAH. I TOOK NOTES . YEAH, I KNOW A LOT. WE TRY TO BE THERE. WELL, WE TRY TO BE THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT EVERY SINGLE CLASS THAT THERE IS. AND, UH, WE'RE GIVEN A PAPER AND WE SUPPOSED TO CHECK IT OUT. AND THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT I NEED TO LOOK, GO LIKE, OH MAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I CAN ALMOST ALWAYS ANSWER MOST OF THE STUFF, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN SOMETHING COMES UP AT LIKE A DEAL. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE ARE ABOUT, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE, RUTH, TO CALL AN ELECTION? WHAT'S THAT? DEADLINE? YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER RIGHT NOW? NO. NO, BUT, BUT THE DEADLINE TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR THE UNIFORM ELECTION DATE IS PRETTY SOON. RESO, WHAT ARE Y'ALL GONNA DO? Y'ALL EITHER, LIKE I TOLD HIM, Y'ALL EITHER HAVE TO AGREE ON THIS, ON, ON WHAT Y'ALL FOLLOWED ON ON 2019. THAT IS INCORRECT. THE CHARTER, WE CAN'T FOLLOW IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. OR YOU ALL, UH, THIS IS KIND OF WEIRD. AGREE ON SOMETHING LIKE, OKAY, THREE POSITIONS AND THESE ARE THE THREE POSITIONS, AND THEN WE GO TO COURT FILE, TAKE ACTION, AGREE TO A JUDICIAL DETERMINATION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL FOR THIS . AND IF THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, HERE WE GO AGAIN. EVERYBODY'S STUCK THERE. WHO DO, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHO'S UP NEXT TIME? IT'S, IT'S A MESS. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS FOR BUDDY . YEAH, BUT I TELL 'EM IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE. IT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO DECIDE. AND THEN THEY'RE HOLDOVERS. THERE'S ONE THAT GOT ELECTED, NEVER HAD AN ELECTION ANYMORE. HE'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS. SO HE'S A HOLDOVER. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ELECTION WITHIN 120 DAYS CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT. YEAH. THEY HAVEN'T HOW LONG, HOW LONG WAS THE TERM? FOR THREE YEARS. YEAH, THREE YEARS. NOT ELECTED TWO TERMS. HE GOT A, YEP. OKAY. WELL HE'S A HOLDOVER. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. CAN YOU GET INTO THAT ISSUE INTO BEING A HOLDOVER UNDER THE ARTICLE SECTION 17, TEXAS ATION, YOU KNOW, UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE IS THE ELECTED, YOU'RE CONSIDERED HOLDOVER. YET UNDER ARTICLE 1111, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ELECTION 1, 1 20 DAYS. SO [01:20:02] I STOPPED TALKING ABOUT THE NOVEMBER UNIFORM ELECTION DATE AND THE CUTOFFS. UM, I'VE HAD SOME TALKS WITH SOME OF THE GOVERNING BODY ABOUT POSSIBLE CHARTER ELECTION AND, YOU KNOW, UPDATE. I KNOW WE'RE CUTTING IT SHORT. UM, IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE THERE YET, UH, WE COULD DO A QUICK REVIEW, GET THESE FOLKS IN LIVE QUICK. CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. YES. QUICK MEET. MEET. YES. ANY SUGGESTIONS? YES. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE DEADLINE IS TO CALL. CAN YOU, CAN YOU CHECK ON THAT, RUTH? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, AND I, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE ANY, ANY, ANY, UH, ANY THOUGHTS AGAINST IT? I KNOW THAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT IT UP, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SHARED IT WITH EVERYBODY. UH, MAYOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT ALSO. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER DOES NEED TO GET LOOKED AT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A A, A CHARTER UPDATE IN MANY, MANY YEARS. AND I KNOW THE DATE IS COMING UP AND IT, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER WOULD BE GOOD 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2012, I THINK. AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS COMING OUT. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT VOTED ON. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A QUICK CHARTER COMMITTEE. UM, WE'VE GOT TIME AND I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LOT OF STUFF, BUT I THINK IT'S ENOUGH STUFF THAT CAN MAKE SOME, MAKE SOME SENSE. MM-HMM. , DID Y'ALL CALL A SPECIAL MEETING APPOINTMENT? CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE? HAVE A ME TODAY. YEAH. AND THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. I WANTED TO BRING IT UP WHEN COMMISSIONER GOODMAN WAS HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT I SAID I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TIM. AND I THINK IT MAY BE TIME SOONER THAN LATER, ACTUALLY. YEAH, WE NEED TO UPDATE, UH, CERTAIN THINGS ON THERE, ON THE, UH, CHARTER, JUST TO MAKE, JUST TO BE MORE CLARIFIED AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT. I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE. WE CAN, UH, TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN IRON THIS THING OUT AND, UM, GET IT GOING SO WE CAN, WE'LL GET THE DATES FROM, SORRY. WE'LL GET THE DATES FROM RUTH MAR AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. I GUESS WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHEN THE DEADLINE IS. IT MAY BE TOO LATE. IT MIGHT BE. GO AHEAD. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GOOD? NO, SIR. ANYMORE? NOTHING ELSE? NOTHING. COMMISSIONERS. Y'ALL, ANYTHING ELSE? NOTHING. OKAY. NOPE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING, SIR. SO, UH, TIME IS, UH, 7 22. WE ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.